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tqi 13 hours ago [-]
The hostility towards self driving is so baffling to me. Setting aside the question of which company is going to get there first, it seems patently obvious that self driving is clearly the safer future for drivers and pedestrians. after all, self driving cars are getting better, and human drivers are not.
That said it's not guaranteed that the version we get will be without drawbacks, and imo we should be trying to shape a better version of the future by passing regulations now before unwanted behaviors calcify. Stuff like limiting how many empty miles cars are allowed to drive so that ppl don't just circle their cars around the block to avoid paying for parking, or regulating how long security updates need to be supported to keep insecure cars off the roads.
TRiG_Ireland 12 hours ago [-]
I'm hostile to cars in general, not just to self-driving. The safer future for pedestrians is not self-driving: it's fewer cars.
JumpCrisscross 11 hours ago [-]
> safer future for pedestrians is not self-driving: it's fewer cars
Sure. But this isn’t a realistic future given present infrastructure. The actual choice is between manual and self-driving cars.
digital-cygnet 11 hours ago [-]
Self-driving cars decrease the internal costs of driving (allowing you to do it without having to pay attention) while keeping the external costs (congestion, danger, pollution, noise, etc) basically the same. So we'll end up with more driving, with society at large bearing the cost.
Locking this future in for good because of "present infrastructure" would be short-sighted.
neuronexmachina 10 hours ago [-]
> keeping the external costs (congestion, danger, pollution, noise, etc)
Are there actually self-driving car services that aren't EV-based? Just that helps with several of those criteria, and they're substantially less dangerous than human-driven vehicles.
tenuousemphasis 10 hours ago [-]
>But this isn't a realistic future given present infrastructure.
Neither is self driving.
dyauspitr 12 hours ago [-]
It’s the same as pushback against data centers with asinine reasons like light pollution. People are scared for their jobs and are grasping.
4dd 11 hours ago [-]
"The hostility towards self driving is so baffling to me"
lol perhaps you should do more research then mate. You clearly don't understand the nature of humans and interests.
tqi 6 hours ago [-]
Enlighten me
fragmede 12 hours ago [-]
The backdrop is driving for Uber/Lyft/Doordash/etc is the only job out there for a lot of people, and taking that away leaves them high and dry. You can say it's not Waymo's responsibility to give them jobs and provide for their needs, and you'd be right, but then, on a societal scale, who's is it? Without an entity who's responsible for that, it's easy to see hostility against self-driving cars as a symptom of that. Who's going to pay to put food on the table if I don't and can't find a job? On a personal level, yes, that's my problem, but it's not a problem that everyone out there is equipped to solve on their own.
JumpCrisscross 12 hours ago [-]
> driving for Uber/Lyft/Doordash/etc is the only job out there for a lot of people
We regularly fuck over this class of people. The backlash is broader, and my opinion, driven by a combination of taxi economic interests (see: New York, where Hochul and Mamdani have significant taxi-lobby money interests) and genuine but misplaced care for drivers.
That said it's not guaranteed that the version we get will be without drawbacks, and imo we should be trying to shape a better version of the future by passing regulations now before unwanted behaviors calcify. Stuff like limiting how many empty miles cars are allowed to drive so that ppl don't just circle their cars around the block to avoid paying for parking, or regulating how long security updates need to be supported to keep insecure cars off the roads.
Sure. But this isn’t a realistic future given present infrastructure. The actual choice is between manual and self-driving cars.
Locking this future in for good because of "present infrastructure" would be short-sighted.
Are there actually self-driving car services that aren't EV-based? Just that helps with several of those criteria, and they're substantially less dangerous than human-driven vehicles.
Neither is self driving.
lol perhaps you should do more research then mate. You clearly don't understand the nature of humans and interests.
We regularly fuck over this class of people. The backlash is broader, and my opinion, driven by a combination of taxi economic interests (see: New York, where Hochul and Mamdani have significant taxi-lobby money interests) and genuine but misplaced care for drivers.
Same thing anyone should. Get help.