The way most museum 3d viewers don't provide a download button always seemed a little odd to me.
Geonode 33 days ago [-]
Trying to capitalize on merchandising, even though it's all public domain.
dagmx 33 days ago [-]
That’s a really unfavourable view for what is a likely an oversight in UI design.
Geonode 32 days ago [-]
It's well established. Most public websites for museums have galleries of high res scans, and they're mostly all trying to keep you from downloading it. There are lots of tools out there to circumvent them, however.
dagmx 32 days ago [-]
This is a tautology and one at odds with itself. They simultaneously provide the high res scans but you think there’s a conspiracy to keep you from them. Why provide them in the first place then?
Geonode 32 days ago [-]
Not at all. They want people to experience what they have, but they don't want a small subset of people selling prints, T-shirts, and little statues. From their perspective, they sell excellent quality prints, etc. in the gift shop and online, and the proceeds benefit the collection. So they lock down downloads if they can.
dagmx 32 days ago [-]
But it’s not locked down, by your own admission.
Geonode 32 days ago [-]
Almost impossible to stop a determined actor from downloading media that you're serving to a browser. Most organizations don't have the budget or understanding. They outsource their websites, and ask for it to be as secure as possible.
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IAmNotACellist 33 days ago [-]
Here's a little script to download all the publicly available scans (135) as GLBs and stick the metadata in a JSON. The scans are all CC0 (public domain)
I appreciate you building this and putting it on github -- I used it to build a simple offline gallery viewer.
Thank You For Making And Sharing!
thot_experiment 33 days ago [-]
anyone wanna throw up a magnet link for this so we don't hammer their website unnecessarily?
petcat 33 days ago [-]
maybe you could throw up a magnet link
reverius42 33 days ago [-]
It's only a few hundred MB, and hopefully they're using a CDN.
dyauspitr 33 days ago [-]
For someone that doesn’t know about this, how does a CDN help? Don’t they still have to pay for all the data downloaded even if it’s hosted on a CDN. I thought the whole purpose of a CDN was just to make access quicker and had nothing to do with saving on bandwidth costs.
petcat 33 days ago [-]
> hammer their website unnecessarily
This is what a CDN will prevent
reverius42 33 days ago [-]
Thank you! Going to try to 3d print some of these and see how they come out.
OpenCulture's been around for a long time and has been a pretty good aggregator for interesting things in art and culture.
corndoge 33 days ago [-]
You have no basis to claim that this is AI generated content
PaulHoule 33 days ago [-]
For what it's worth I thought the modal dialog on the original was worse than the pop-over ad on the copy.
jandrese 34 days ago [-]
It's kind of annoying that the 3D viewer on their website keep you a respectful distance away from the object like you might try to touch it if you got too close.
virgil_disgr4ce 33 days ago [-]
It appears they arbitrarily limit the zoom such that the object stays within the browser frame. On my gigantic monitor I can get super close. Lame that they set it to stop like that
knolan 34 days ago [-]
It works really well with the AR viewer on mobile Safari.
LeifCarrotson 34 days ago [-]
Interesting, on desktop Firefox I can barely zoom in past the point that the object fills the FOV.
I want to be permitted to navigate up close to a point where I can see the pixels and triangle meshes, as if I was a millimeter away from some brush stroke or chisel mark, and then back out just a bit.
Uncorrelated 33 days ago [-]
For anyone wondering, you can access this by tapping the button showing a 3D cube at the bottom left of the 3D viewer. The button may be cut off if you're viewing in a web view in another app like I was.
The AR viewer runs with a much higher frame rate and you can get closer to the model. However the lighting is significantly worse, which ruins the appeal. The in-browser viewer is choppy and I can feel my phone getting a little warm, but it looks a lot more like viewing the real artifacts.
RobotToaster 33 days ago [-]
Doesn't seem to be an option on Firefox android
dagmx 33 days ago [-]
The AR viewer is using ARKit on iOS which is a default system “app”. I don’t believe Google provides the same kind of built in viewer experience with AR Core being surfaced as an app.
I wish they had captured one of their Faberge eggs; those are almost more impressive.
markdown 33 days ago [-]
Incredible. Why isn't it in France?
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danielvaughn 33 days ago [-]
Not sure, but there's also a Van Gogh in that 3D collection, you could ask the same question for that one.
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RobotToaster 33 days ago [-]
Probably the same reason there are french imperial eagles in British museums.
JasonADrury 33 days ago [-]
The provenance according to the Met:
>Henry II, King of France (until d. 1559);
>Carl August, Grand Duke of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach, Residenzschloss, Weimar (by 1804–d. 1828);
>by descent to Wilhelm Ernst, Grand Duke of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach, Residenzschloss, Weimar, later Schloss Heinrichau, Lower Silesia, Germany (now Henryków, Poland) (1901–d. 1923);
>his widow, Feodora, Grand Duchess of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach, Schloss Heinrichau (1923–1929;
>sold in May, 1929, to Kahlert & Sohn);
>[E. Kahlert & Sohn, Berlin, 1929;
>sold on December 14, 1929, for $135,000, to Sir Joseph Duveen for Mackay];
>Clarence H. Mackay, New York (1929–d. 1939; his estate, 1939, inv. no. A-17;
>sold through Jacques Seligmann & Co. on May 15, 1939, to MMA).
Unfortunately, this does not answer "why did it leave France?"
However, the book "Merchants of Art, 1880-1960: Eighty Years of Professional Collecting" (1961) by the rather famous art dealer Germain Seligman offers this missing link:
>Parade armor of King Henri II, embossed, damascened and gilded. Later presented by King Louis XIII to Bernhard von Weimar.
markdown 32 days ago [-]
Thanks
thot_experiment 33 days ago [-]
The museum helpfully has a "Provenance" tab that gives you the answer to this question. (the answer in this case is market capitalism)
Highly recommend reading it as a companion to these 3D scenes.
Eduard 33 days ago [-]
> high-def 3D scans
maybe 15, 20 years ago. I especially found the glossy shader goofy. No authentic replication, more 2000s gaming vibes. they should use gaussian splatting instead
dmarcos 33 days ago [-]
I wish they would also publish the source images used to generate the 3D representation so people can recreate with other techniques.
No idea what they used but I know that in Brussels they use CultArm3D FT20 by https://verus.digital basically a camera on a robot arm.
alecail 33 days ago [-]
From what I saw in that file and a few others (in USDZ), the metalness is not captured.
It's in 0/1_b.jpg , and the file is always pure white.
You are only seeing roughness
I opened them in Houdini and it translates to a USDPreview material, with those PBR channels connected: basecolor, roughness (decent map), metallic (no data, juste white) and normal map (decent map too)
jonhohle 34 days ago [-]
> Open Access data and public domain images are available for unrestricted commercial and noncommercial use without permission or fee.
>
> To request images under copyright and other restrictions, …
If these are available as public domain with unrestricted use without fee, what is the use case for requesting a version under copyright with restrictions?
dfxm12 34 days ago [-]
Not everything is open access data and public domain images.
No idea. But I've integrated their API to a commercial project (https://bookmarker.cc) without any issues. Users are exploring The Met Collection and save images to their library directly in the app.
> Through The Met Collection API, users can connect to a live feed of all Creative Commons Zero (CC0) data and 406,000 images from the The Met collection, all available for use without copyright or restriction. The Met Collection API is another foundational step in our Open Access program, helping make the Museum's collection one of the most accessible, discoverable, and useful on the internet. The Met Collection API is where all makers, creators, researchers, and dreamers can now connect to the most up-to-date data and images of artworks in The Met collection, representing five thousand years of human history.
You misread it. The things that are public domain are available under that. The other things which are (still) under copyright are available under different terms.
rbanffy 33 days ago [-]
Is anyone from the Computer History Museum listening? If they could do that, as well as scans with “exploded” parts it’d be a boon for both students and enthusiasts, who’d be able to 3D print replacements for many parts.
jensgk 33 days ago [-]
That would be cool. I really would like a 3d-printed replica shell of one of the old serial terminals, e.g. the TeleVideo 910.
rbanffy 33 days ago [-]
I’d totally make an IBM 3278, 3279, or 3290 my daily driver.
jsd1982 33 days ago [-]
Very cool! Checking out the Van Gogh painting in the viewer I can just barely see the depth of the brush strokes. Shame you can't look 90 degrees off axis to see the protrusion effect with the bulky outer frame in the way.
mturilin 33 days ago [-]
How easy is it to 3D print them?
dagmx 33 days ago [-]
You’d have to convert them from GLB or USDZ to something your sliver of choice understands.
Bambulabs app will directly read the USDZ if you’re on a Mac for example.
xattt 34 days ago [-]
I see the “spinning” view in browser, but I don’t see an option to download the STLs.
Edit: It appears the usdz AR file can be converted to obj/stl files.
alecail 34 days ago [-]
Each of the models is available in fbx, usdz and glb if you dig a bit in the page.
It's in a json file named masters
ehnto 33 days ago [-]
I did initially doubt the usefulness of viewing the paintings and embroidery in 3D, but then I spun this around and the back of the board is interesting as well.
Any recommendations for art objects worth 3D printing at home? Bonus points if it would appeal to a grade schooler.
voxleone 33 days ago [-]
These scans seem perfect for fabrication experiments.
I’ve been trying a workflow where the mesh is inverted and used to generate a 3D-printed mold, then I gelcast zirconia ceramic into it and sinter it. The result is a dense ceramic version of the sculpture.
If you downscale the models they work well as small desktop statues or relief friezes, and ceramic casting can preserve surprisingly fine detail from the scan.
bilsbie 33 days ago [-]
I wanted to try printing one but so far all of them seem like they’d be kind of disturbing to display in my house.
Absolutely beautiful scans. Thanks Met. Wonderful art that brightened my day.
infocollector 34 days ago [-]
Does anyone know where the STL/OBJ files for the 3d models are at?
utopiah 34 days ago [-]
Check your browser console, network tab, search for .glb and you can directly download them.
alecail 33 days ago [-]
Look for the file named masters, it's a json file that contains the filenames for those formats:
glb
usdz
fbx
Chronoz99 33 days ago [-]
This data needs to be reprocessed to make 3D gaussian splats instead.
Chronoz99 33 days ago [-]
Compare those scans to this splat for example: https://superspl.at/scene/d10c5638
The visual quality is unbeatable for 3D reconstruction IMO.
BenFranklin100 33 days ago [-]
This is a fantastic resource, not only for present generations, but also especially for future generations if any of these objects were to be damaged or destroyed.
bookofjoe 33 days ago [-]
Can't wait to see how this plays with Vision Pro
yeah879846 32 days ago [-]
Unfortunately they aren't high quality scans
utopiah 34 days ago [-]
Great use of WebXR.
Works well both on the Vision Pro (USDz format) and Meta Quest (glTF binary format).
That being said without the right mediation, without some context... unless you already are an expert in the domain what's the point?
https://github.khronos.org/glTF-Sample-Viewer-Release/?model...
https://github.com/InconsolableCellist/met_scans
Thank You For Making And Sharing!
This is what a CDN will prevent
I want to be permitted to navigate up close to a point where I can see the pixels and triangle meshes, as if I was a millimeter away from some brush stroke or chisel mark, and then back out just a bit.
The AR viewer runs with a much higher frame rate and you can get closer to the model. However the lighting is significantly worse, which ruins the appeal. The in-browser viewer is choppy and I can feel my phone getting a little warm, but it looks a lot more like viewing the real artifacts.
I wish they had captured one of their Faberge eggs; those are almost more impressive.
>Henry II, King of France (until d. 1559);
>Carl August, Grand Duke of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach, Residenzschloss, Weimar (by 1804–d. 1828);
>by descent to Wilhelm Ernst, Grand Duke of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach, Residenzschloss, Weimar, later Schloss Heinrichau, Lower Silesia, Germany (now Henryków, Poland) (1901–d. 1923);
>his widow, Feodora, Grand Duchess of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach, Schloss Heinrichau (1923–1929;
>sold in May, 1929, to Kahlert & Sohn);
>[E. Kahlert & Sohn, Berlin, 1929;
>sold on December 14, 1929, for $135,000, to Sir Joseph Duveen for Mackay];
>Clarence H. Mackay, New York (1929–d. 1939; his estate, 1939, inv. no. A-17;
>sold through Jacques Seligmann & Co. on May 15, 1939, to MMA).
Unfortunately, this does not answer "why did it leave France?"
However, the book "Merchants of Art, 1880-1960: Eighty Years of Professional Collecting" (1961) by the rather famous art dealer Germain Seligman offers this missing link:
>Parade armor of King Henri II, embossed, damascened and gilded. Later presented by King Louis XIII to Bernhard von Weimar.
It recently dawned on me how we have a staggering amount of art available in these archives (https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/, https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en, the Met, etc). It's truly staggering. Can't wait to use these images for my side project[0].
[0] https://flaneur.ink
https://www.europeana.eu/
Highly recommend reading it as a companion to these 3D scenes.
maybe 15, 20 years ago. I especially found the glossy shader goofy. No authentic replication, more 2000s gaming vibes. they should use gaussian splatting instead
https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search?showOnly=has...
>
> To request images under copyright and other restrictions, …
If these are available as public domain with unrestricted use without fee, what is the use case for requesting a version under copyright with restrictions?
This image is tagged open access & public domain: https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/321937
This image is not: https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/492371
> Through The Met Collection API, users can connect to a live feed of all Creative Commons Zero (CC0) data and 406,000 images from the The Met collection, all available for use without copyright or restriction. The Met Collection API is another foundational step in our Open Access program, helping make the Museum's collection one of the most accessible, discoverable, and useful on the internet. The Met Collection API is where all makers, creators, researchers, and dreamers can now connect to the most up-to-date data and images of artworks in The Met collection, representing five thousand years of human history.
source: https://www.metmuseum.org/perspectives/met-collection-api-2
Images 4, 5, 6 are still under copyright
Images 7, 8, 9 have usage restrictions
Bambulabs app will directly read the USDZ if you’re on a Mac for example.
Edit: It appears the usdz AR file can be converted to obj/stl files.
https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/48982
I’ve been trying a workflow where the mesh is inverted and used to generate a 3D-printed mold, then I gelcast zirconia ceramic into it and sinter it. The result is a dense ceramic version of the sculpture.
If you downscale the models they work well as small desktop statues or relief friezes, and ceramic casting can preserve surprisingly fine detail from the scan.
Fill the base with concrete and use it as a bookend?
I wish more museums would share their scans.
Works well both on the Vision Pro (USDz format) and Meta Quest (glTF binary format).
That being said without the right mediation, without some context... unless you already are an expert in the domain what's the point?