This is mostly an argument for full user customization. I'm willing to bet some people prefer the current scheme. Presumably the developer(s).
willtemperley 1 days ago [-]
In the same sense that a blockchain can be forked by using software that only accepts certain types of block, is it possible to fork the WWW in a similar manner? e.g. with changes that neuter the ad-mongers.
For example coming up with a way to get rid of these god awful cookies. Maybe ad-monger sites could be allowed in the same way an insecure connection is allowed behind a series of warnings?
vitally3643 1 days ago [-]
The internet is literally just a pipe. There's no limitation binding us to HTTP. You can use any protocol you want over the internet, anything at all.
bastawhiz 1 days ago [-]
Not sure I'd call it just a pipe, but maybe a series of tubes.
willtemperley 1 days ago [-]
Well quite. So why are we living in this surveillance hellscape?
vitally3643 20 minutes ago [-]
Because the capitalists want you to
pogue 1 days ago [-]
How are they going to be adding uBlock Origin to Chromium going forward if manifest v2 gets completely deprecated/removed entirely?
gruez 1 days ago [-]
AFAIK some of the other chromium forks (brave and/or edge?) were committed to backporting manifest v2 (or more specifically the webRequestBlocking API) for future chromium versions.
bjord 1 days ago [-]
this is not correct. neither brave nor edge has committed to that.
as of yet, there's no (publicly stated) contingency plan if the upstream mv2 code is excised, but I could be mistaken.
rpdillon 24 hours ago [-]
Brave has integrated uBO directly into their core logic. Visit brave://settings/extensions/v2 and you can download it, even with no MV2 support. I'm not aware of any other browser adopting this approach.
bjord 7 hours ago [-]
firefox 149+ actually bundles brave's adblock-rust as well, it just doesn't really use it. waterfox does enable it and use it, though they're still testing (https://github.com/BrowserWorks/waterfox/issues/4182).
all of that being said, I was answering the question about mv2 broadly, not ad blocking.
eipi10_hn 18 hours ago [-]
They said until they can't afford to maintain it.
rpdillon 5 hours ago [-]
The exact misimpression I was trying to counter.
feverzsj 1 days ago [-]
Nothing. It will be a huge burden for them to maintain all the removed code. Their only choice is to integrate brave's adblocker.
pogue 1 days ago [-]
This seems to be the only way forward from what I can figure. Helium's main selling point is that it's essentially degoogled chromium + a few miscellaneous patches & full uBlock. But once Google completely strips all that out of Chromium project, that won't be a tenable option.
I'm not sure what Opera/Vivaldi/et al. use for their native adblocking, but Brave's rust adblocker makes the most sense to me. Really it's uBlock's filtering lists that keep the whole thing working anyway.
NetOpWibby 1 days ago [-]
I just set Helium as my default browser yesterday after dual-wielding it with Arc. Never thought I'd move on from Arc but here we are.
mrbluecoat 1 days ago [-]
> cause havoc, and put people first
An odd pairing
tancop 1 days ago [-]
if you follow wukko on twitter you know it makes sense. its the same guy who made cobalt the video downloader.
willtemperley 1 days ago [-]
Not really. Every activist that made a real difference for the good caused some kind of havoc.
[0]: https://github.com/imputnet/helium/issues/1532
[1]: https://github.com/imputnet/helium/issues/1850
For example coming up with a way to get rid of these god awful cookies. Maybe ad-monger sites could be allowed in the same way an insecure connection is allowed behind a series of warnings?
as of yet, there's no (publicly stated) contingency plan if the upstream mv2 code is excised, but I could be mistaken.
all of that being said, I was answering the question about mv2 broadly, not ad blocking.
I'm not sure what Opera/Vivaldi/et al. use for their native adblocking, but Brave's rust adblocker makes the most sense to me. Really it's uBlock's filtering lists that keep the whole thing working anyway.
An odd pairing